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[Survival] Please suggest how to improve survival.

Started by Towelie, Aug 22, 2019, 06:48 AM

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omelott

Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AM #25 Last Edit: Aug 26, 2019, 09:56 PM by omelott
I think market perms should remain exclusive to tycoon, as it (and the big warp pack) fit the tycoon theme and give players a reason to buy it. I also think fly perms are pointless, since almost all legends already it (and the few who don't usually don't care because people buy global fly all the time). Here are my suggestions for legend tier perms. The existing legend perms (compass, cookie & BCV) are intended to make legends more "staff like", without giving them the most important perms which essentially make staff, staff. My suggestions work with that intention.

Legend: BCV perms, Cookie Tool (Existing perms)

Legend 2: Compass (Existing perm, should be bumped up one tier because of how powerful it is)

Legend 3: Delete tree perms (Would save staff energy, much like BCV perms), Calculator perms (Pretty handy, don't know why this is limited to staff only)

Legend 4: Lava placement perms (Would save staff energy, much like BCV perms)

Legend 5: Ability to /heal self with a cooldown.

Additonally, here are my suggested legend tier kits. Each tiers' kit goes with the theme & perms associated with that tier. The value of each kit increases with tier, but not to the point where it breaks the economy. I decided to include a tycoon kit because tycoons have been asking for one for years now and having one could increase interest in buying the rank.

Tycoon: 3 xp bottles, 1 enchanted golden apple, 3 pumpkin pies, 1 wolf spawn egg (so you can have your own wolf on wall street ;))

Legend (revised): 4 xp bottles, 3 pumpkin pies, 16 signs (instead of 20, for BCVs), 1 cookie (for cookie perm), 1 stick (for checking prots)

Legend 2: 5 xp bottles, 2 golden apples, 1 compass (for compass perm), 2 enderpearls

Legend 3: 6 xp bottles, 4 pumpkin pies, 1 parrot spawn egg, 1 name tag

Legend 4: 7 xp bottles, 2 golden apples, bucket of lava (for lava placement perm), 1 steve co key

Legend 5: 8 xp bottles, 1 enchanted golden apple, 5 pumpkin pies, 1 diamond, 1 steve co key

winston_b

Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend 3: Delete tree perms (Would save staff energy, much like BCV perms), Calculator perms (Pretty handy, don't know why this is limited to staff only)
I believe that calculator perms should be allowed for all players since it's helpful to have. I see no reason to limit it to any rank.
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Green_Giant

Another i'd like to see changed is, default /ptp to be enabled like it used to be back in SFTMMO and also Pre-SFTMMO. As a non-staff member, it was always nice that we could tp to our friends like we used to it. I believe mcmmo config allows you to disable requests to default, so that all party members can tp to eachother. Sorry if this is hard to understand, it's a tough thing to explain, but anyone who has used parties know what I mean.

SashaLarie

Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend 4: Lava placement perms (Would save staff energy, much like BCV perms)
Gonna say no as lava can be used to troll/kill players and I believe that only Mod+ should be able to place it.

Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend 5: God Mode (Controversial. But if a Jmod who only has 100 hours has it, why can't a player who's played for 3,500 and been with the community for more than 4 years?)
Staffing would be quite impossible in many ways without god mode and that is the reason staff get it. Not just for the sake of it. I don't really think its something that should be added to this.

Kakota

Aug 24, 2019, 07:30 PM #29 Last Edit: Aug 24, 2019, 07:36 PM by Kakota
Quote from: SashaLarie on Aug 24, 2019, 05:26 PM
Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend 4: Lava placement perms (Would save staff energy, much like BCV perms)
Gonna say no as lava can be used to troll/kill players and I believe that only Mod+ should be able to place it.

Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend 5: God Mode (Controversial. But if a Jmod who only has 100 hours has it, why can't a player who's played for 3,500 and been with the community for more than 4 years?)
Staffing would be quite impossible in many ways without god mode and that is the reason staff get it. Not just for the sake of it. I don't really think its something that should be added to this.

I agree with this, lava can be an easy troll method and attempt to kill others just for fun. Godmode, as Sasha stated is pretty much only used by staff; because staffing would be nearly impossible otherwise.

Plus, what fun would survival be with if everyone had godmode once they reached a certain hour amount?

omelott

Aug 24, 2019, 09:22 PM #30 Last Edit: Aug 24, 2019, 10:11 PM by omelott
Quote from: Kakota on Aug 24, 2019, 07:30 PMI agree with this, lava can be an easy troll method and attempt to kill others just for fun. Godmode, as Sasha stated is pretty much only used by staff; because staffing would be nearly impossible otherwise.

Plus, what fun would survival be with if everyone had godmode once they reached a certain hour amount?
I think we can trust player's who've played for that long to be able to place lava.

omelott

Aug 24, 2019, 09:48 PM #31 Last Edit: Aug 24, 2019, 10:06 PM by omelott
Quote from: SashaLarie on Aug 24, 2019, 05:26 PM
Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend 4: Lava placement perms (Would save staff energy, much like BCV perms)
Gonna say no as lava can be used to troll/kill players and I believe that only Mod+ should be able to place it.

Could Legends be at least allowed to place buckets of lava in item frames? It is ridiculous to have to ask a Mod+ to do that.

Quote from: SashaLarie on Aug 24, 2019, 05:26 PM
Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend 5: God Mode (Controversial. But if a Jmod who only has 100 hours has it, why can't a player who's played for 3,500 and been with the community for more than 4 years?)
Staffing would be quite impossible in many ways without god mode and that is the reason staff get it. Not just for the sake of it. I don't really think its something that should be added to this.

Staffing is definitely possible without god mode, at least for Jmods. The only reason I can think it'd come in handy is in avoiding kill traps set by players (but such cases are very uncommon). Staff also have fly perms, so there's no need to worry about fall damage. Although Legend 5 is an uptime-based rank, it's still incredibly difficult to obtain. There are only like 7-10 people on the whole server who have the necessary 3,500 hours on Survival (and most are high staff members who already have god mode). There are also some legends who already have godmode.
 

Kakota

I do agree 3,500 hours are a lot, but I feel it takes away the "fun side" of survival....which is...surviving. While I agree with the kits, I feel enabling godmode; even though obtaining those hours are extremely hard takes away the side of survival. Staff only have it because it is necessary to do our jobs or else, we would not be able to correctly.

I feel the kits are a good asset, but I am agreeing with Sasha on godmode and lava placement. Item frames I don't see an issue with, but placing actual lava - no.

stormshooter

Quote from: _0i on Aug 23, 2019, 10:58 PM
Quote from: TeraStorm on Aug 22, 2019, 02:04 PM
Quote from: _0i on Aug 22, 2019, 01:16 PMMy suggestion is something that is probably very unlikely, but I think would help. I'd like to see more technical automatic farms allowed because I think a group of players in this game really enjoy those things. Just a thought, have a great day :)
Will discuss this with the manager team too :)
By the way, maybe 0 tick farms shouldn't be allowed because they can instantly grow crops and cause a ton of client-side lag, but all other automatic farms, unless they are in the spawn chunks, will only grow if the players are nearby, so you won't have to worry about everyone's things going insane.
Can you suggest some automatic farms that you would want allowed

xJade

Quote from: Kakota on Aug 24, 2019, 10:00 PMI do agree 3,500 hours are a lot, but I feel it takes away the "fun side" of survival....which is...surviving. While I agree with the kits, I feel enabling godmode; even though obtaining those hours are extremely hard takes away the side of survival. Staff only have it because it is necessary to do our jobs or else, we would not be able to correctly.

I feel the kits are a good asset, but I am agreeing with Sasha on godmode and lava placement. Item frames I don't see an issue with, but placing actual lava - no.

I mean don't all legends go through an application process? If the Manager+ team feels like someone shouldn't get the permission to place lava then, by all means, do not promote them. It seems unfair to punish the good people along with the bad people. As for god mode, it can easily be turned off if the players ever miss the "fun part" of survial, I know I do.

I just think that players who have pledged their loyalty with an uptime of 145.83 days should be awarded handsomely. if not god then maybe something of equal power.

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T4Tom2

Staff require god for their duties there's no doubting that, as they often have to do a lot of typing in chat and checking builds etc where there is a higher risk of dying to mobs and lava etc, but giving out god as a rank to players with uptime would kill all survival element surely? I agree with Jim that anyone who plays that often deserves something of value but by providing god you would truly ruin all survival element, at that point they may as well just play creative

xJade

Quote from: T4Tom2 on Aug 25, 2019, 11:28 AMStaff require god for their duties there's no doubting that, as they often have to do a lot of typing in chat and checking builds etc where there is a higher risk of dying to mobs and lava etc, but giving out god as a rank to players with uptime would kill all survival element surely? I agree with Jim that anyone who plays that often deserves something of value but by providing god you would truly ruin all survival element, at that point they may as well just play creative
Then why not just give them something of equal power like an item or being able to heal themselves (with a cooldown). I think philanthropist old had the perms but not 100% sure.

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T4Tom2

Quote from: xJimJam on Aug 25, 2019, 02:17 PM
Quote from: T4Tom2 on Aug 25, 2019, 11:28 AMStaff require god for their duties there's no doubting that, as they often have to do a lot of typing in chat and checking builds etc where there is a higher risk of dying to mobs and lava etc, but giving out god as a rank to players with uptime would kill all survival element surely? I agree with Jim that anyone who plays that often deserves something of value but by providing god you would truly ruin all survival element, at that point they may as well just play creative
Then why not just give them something of equal power like an item or being able to heal themselves (with a cooldown). I think philanthropist old had the perms but not 100% sure.

That sounds like a fair tool to have for their commitment to the server in my opinion

stormshooter

Quote from: xJimJam on Aug 25, 2019, 10:37 AM
Quote from: Kakota on Aug 24, 2019, 10:00 PMI do agree 3,500 hours are a lot, but I feel it takes away the "fun side" of survival....which is...surviving. While I agree with the kits, I feel enabling godmode; even though obtaining those hours are extremely hard takes away the side of survival. Staff only have it because it is necessary to do our jobs or else, we would not be able to correctly.

I feel the kits are a good asset, but I am agreeing with Sasha on godmode and lava placement. Item frames I don't see an issue with, but placing actual lava - no.

I mean don't all legends go through an application process? If the Manager+ team feels like someone shouldn't get the permission to place lava then, by all means, do not promote them. It seems unfair to punish the good people along with the bad people. As for god mode, it can easily be turned off if the players ever miss the "fun part" of survial, I know I do.
Lava placing for legends is gonna be a no, sorry. Whilst we do trust legends to a degree its still a lil risky especially as some players take breaks for long periods of time, and come back as completely different people.

I'm looking into adding some extra perms for the higher legend tiers.

winston_b

I think my last post got overlooked, but could the calculator command be enabled for all players since it's soo useful?
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stormshooter

Quote from: winston_b on Aug 25, 2019, 03:41 PMI think my last post got overlooked, but could the calculator command be enabled for all players since it's soo useful?
Hasn't been overlooked we just haven't got to it yet, it will need tow's approval.


stormshooter

Quote from: TeraStorm on Aug 25, 2019, 05:22 PM
Quote from: winston_b on Aug 25, 2019, 03:41 PMI think my last post got overlooked, but could the calculator command be enabled for all players since it's soo useful?
Hasn't been overlooked we just haven't got to it yet, it will need tow's approval.
Sorry //calc is a no, spoke to saywhat and he says it'll cause lag
Its restricted to admin+ atm

xJade

increase the spawn rate of level 140 elite mobs and add more quests, maybe have a small world where you can do npc quests?

Lowkey missing Wild West... :')

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Smallfry5545

Quote from: xJimJam on Aug 26, 2019, 01:08 AMincrease the spawn rate of level 140 elite mobs and add more quests, maybe have a small world where you can do npc quests?

Lowkey missing Wild West... :')

Personally, I wouldn't support the idea of a small world with quests. SFT had multiple "quest" servers, all which failed. People played for a day or a week then they were done with it. I just think it would be unnecessary space, and there would likely be bugs that would need to be fixed.

winston_b

I know this will probably be shot down, but I feel like we should really have a /back or /return command. In the past it's always been along the lines of it wouldn't be real survival, but with plugins like slimefun we aren't really playing "survival". Maybe it could function in a way that it can't warp back to w3 or when a staff member teleports you.
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SashaLarie

Quote from: winston_b on Aug 26, 2019, 06:21 AMI know this will probably be shot down, but I feel like we should really have a /back or /return command. In the past it's always been along the lines of it wouldn't be real survival, but with plugins like slimefun we aren't really playing "survival". Maybe it could function in a way that it can't warp back to w3 or when a staff member teleports you.
Towelie is very much against players being teleported to their death points and that is why there is no /back or /return. You are given your coordinates when you die and with /fly it's easy enough to get back to where you were. Even when you want it to get back to a place you were before you can just use warps.

Towelie

Quote from: omelott on Aug 24, 2019, 12:21 AMLegend5 = God perms.


Replace this with something else. I like how you structured the legends, but I dont' want to give Legends god. So figure out something else, then edit your original post.


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GRIMI_

God perms for legends is unnecessary- Most semi-active legends are already basically god mode because we know the server mechanics (plus, we donated for fly when that was a thing). I think I've died maybe 3 times since server reset.

In terms of improving the server, I think we shouldnt be focusing on just legend gameplay. We need to keep newer people interested in the server rather than just appeal to a rank where most are inactive. I think loosening the rules on automation would open up gameplay for all ranks.

There is not much challenge for the late game- once you have a nice house and decent gear the game loses a lot of perceived value. I think the most viable way of fixing this late game is to centre on the economy challenge. To do this we need to foster a competitive, rewarding but also achievable peak for the economy. I have a few ideas on how this could be started, but I'll leave this as a concept as I would like to hear your feedback/comments/input.

stormshooter

Quote from: GRIMI_ on Aug 26, 2019, 07:16 PMThere is not much challenge for the late game- once you have a nice house and decent gear the game loses a lot of perceived value. I think the most viable way of fixing this late game is to centre on the economy challenge. To do this we need to foster a competitive, rewarding but also achievable peak for the economy. I have a few ideas on how this could be started, but I'll leave this as a concept as I would like to hear your feedback/comments/input.
I'd love to hear your ideas

Cireshie

How many people have Legend5 that actually have completed the requirements for it?

I don't know of any other Legend5 (and maybe one other person) other than myself so I guess that means I should be giving my input on this legend stuff.

Is it possible for me to get a weekly kit of diamond armor or something? And why wouldn't I be allowed to place lava when there's so much on the line if I get in trouble? I thought something like that would get me demoted instantly if I trolled like that.