[Global News] Rebellion in eastern Ukraine

[The Lovin Spoon]

Armed activists took on Saturday in control of police stations and government agencies in several cities in eastern Ukraine. The government in Kiev is now preparing to crack down on pro-Russian separatist movement by force of arms.

[Mgwllw]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

[UrbanmineR]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

[rens0wntnoob]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US.

saying that russia is bigger then the USA doesn't matter. why?
Zoom in on google maps and look around the russian area. 95% of russia is mountain and wood area.The towns are really small (mostly)
In the US, it's mutch smaller but there's alot more towns etc.
Also, it's about the allies too. russia probably has the surrounding countries which are allied (Some of them)
And probably middle east.
Although, Europe are allied with the US.US/europe's have 1st world allies. russia 2nd world and 3rd world allies.

[Mgwllw]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

[ButterWhisperer]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

Wars the U.S. has won:

Our Civil War
WW1
WW2
Vietnam War (If you count containing communism a win)

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

[killjoy27]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

Wars the U.S. has won:

Our Civil War
WW1
WW2
Vietnam War (If you count containing communism a win)

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

Our aid to Uncle Joe was quite minimal, besides most nations that invaded Russia did not succeed

[Plantarr]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

Wars the U.S. has won:

Our Civil War
WW1
WW2
Vietnam War (If you count containing communism a win)

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

You seem to have forgotten many other wars won, some including:
War of 1812
Creek War
Mexican-American War
Spanish-American War
(Persian) Gulf War

These are just a couple, I'm not a huge history expert.

[SporkandPlate]

Didn't the U.S. win the war in Pakistan recently too?

[Eternal_Jamie]

Didn't the U.S. win the war in Pakistan recently too?

No. Unless you count winning as supporting the Pakistani army with drone attacks, intelligence and some special forces attacks.

[GotAnError]

So basically, it's a thread about the situation in Ukraine and people comment about how much of a great war power the USA is.

The amount of insignificant country love in here is far too high.

[Eternal_Jamie]

Well I find the backlash at them trying to take actions against the pro-russians very interesting with scenes like the ones in this video. Could get very bloody if people keep preventing their movements of troops. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27053500

[Mgwllw]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

Wars the U.S. has won:

Our Civil War
WW1
WW2
Vietnam War (If you count containing communism a win)

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

Our aid to Uncle Joe was quite minimal, besides most nations that invaded Russia did not succeed

I think you are referring to "Uncle Sam" and Russia has and has not been invaded. The land that is now Russia was invaded and taken over by the Mongols. You are mostly correct through.

To all thoughs saying that the US isn't so great, or Russia is better please back it up with facts.

[Eternal_Jamie]

Lol as gotan says patriotism overload in here. Uncle Joe refers to Joseph Stalin, though the nickname was probably aroused from Uncle Sam. "most nations that invaded Russia did not succeed" he was correct if you're only saying the mongols managed to xd

[itsConnor_]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

Wars the U.S. has won:

Our Civil War
WW1
WW2
Vietnam War (If you count containing communism a win)

I'd like to add that the US only joined WW1 in 1917 and thus participated in little more than a quarter of the war (and participated in 2/3 of WW2).

[UrbanmineR]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

Wars the U.S. has won:

Our Civil War
WW1
WW2
Vietnam War (If you count containing communism a win)

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

noone won ww1, it just made it all worse.
in Ww2, it was russia who won, US just took the credits.
in Vietnam Us ran away,  but ofc there is other small wars they won which noone thinks about.

[killjoy27]

I doubt they will take it back by force. There are 40,000 Russian soldiers waiting on the other side of the Eastern Ukraine border and if the government in Ukraine decides to take the occupied buildings by force Putin will use that as a good enough reason to come in to Eastern Ukraine. In my opinion, I think that they should position troops in spots to protect other buildings from occupation and just cut their losses with the other buildings that have already been taking over. They could also form a defensive perimeter around the occupied buildings and not allow anyone in. The militants will have to come out at some point.

It's not like Ukraine has some sort of terrible military. They have around 160,000 active military personal and have the 22nd best military in the world. Than again that's nothing compared to the 776,000 active military personal that the 2nd ranked best military (Behind the United States) Russia has. The point is Ukraine is fully capable of defending themselves against pro Russian armed protesters, but the real fear is that by dealing with them Russia will in turn retaliate and claim they are defending the innocent people of Ukraine that the big bad government is hurting.

Russia is bigger and better than US. US is just manipulating with people. They haven't even won a war yet.

Would you care to enlighten me on how Russia is "better" then the United States? With you saying that the United States haven't won a war yet you must not know U.S history. The United States has won wars, but unlike Russia we don't strive to grow the our country by taking over everything we can get out hands on (<---- That's what I think not a fact) Tell me how the Russia is better then the U.S.A in non conventional warfare (No nukes) because including the nuclear option would be fruitless because no one would win.

*Note* I'm not provoking a flame war or anything like that, I simply want to know what your saying and why you are saying it

Wars the U.S. has won:

Our Civil War
WW1
WW2
Vietnam War (If you count containing communism a win)

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

Our aid to Uncle Joe was quite minimal, besides most nations that invaded Russia did not succeed

I think you are referring to "Uncle Sam" and Russia has and has not been invaded. The land that is now Russia was invaded and taken over by the Mongols. You are mostly correct through.

To all thoughs saying that the US isn't so great, or Russia is better please back it up with facts.

No, I mean Unclo Joe, as in Stalin, and Russia has been invaded, the French under Napoleon, and Germany under Hitler, among others. France, and Germany, both were defeated, partially due to the actual Russian armed forces. but also due to the Russian Winter.

[DeepCoil]

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

muh sides

You'd be a fool to belive that. Operation Barbarossa had nothing to do with U.S. (As in the U.S did not really help Russia, they defended themselves from the oncoming Axis troops.)

[GotAnError]

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

You do realise Russia defended itself against 7/8th of the entire German army, right? No American help. No western help, just plain ol' Russia.

Back on topic: Ukraine will probably not be saved. People are too afraid of a new world war.

[ButterWhisperer]

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

You do realise Russia defended itself against 7/8th of the entire German army, right? No American help. No western help, just plain ol' Russia.

Back on topic: Ukraine will probably not be saved. People are too afraid of a new world war.

And then Germany was right on the Russian border, and Stalin begged for help from the U.S.

[Mgwllw]

Let us not forget that Russia was with the Axis power all up until Hitler Double Crossed them. Then only did they decide to team up with the Allies.

[maxwolf28]

Didn't the U.S. win the war in Pakistan recently too?

No. Unless you count winning as supporting the Pakistani army with drone attacks, intelligence and some special forces attacks.

thats bona come back and bite them in the ass.

[ButterWhisperer]

Didn't the U.S. win the war in Pakistan recently too?

No. Unless you count winning as supporting the Pakistani army with drone attacks, intelligence and some special forces attacks.

thats bona come back and bite them in the ass.

Actually, The U.S. didn't win or lose it. It's still going on. What more do we need other than intelligence, and counter insurgency special forces attacks? Its not conventional war, it's about intelligence, and putting an end to al-Qaeda and Taliban, but to take care of them we need to know who they are. And I'm pretty sure we're technically 'winning' because of May 2, 2011.

[GotAnError]

Russia NEEDED U.S. help in WW2 otherwise Germany would've taken them over. And then Soviet Union (at the time) took to communism, such a better country. Most of Russia is wasted space anyway since no one wants to live in those places.

You do realise Russia defended itself against 7/8th of the entire German army, right? No American help. No western help, just plain ol' Russia.

Back on topic: Ukraine will probably not be saved. People are too afraid of a new world war.

And then Germany was right on the Russian border, and Stalin begged for help from the U.S.

It's a little one sided here. Russia wouldn't win without Europe and the USA, the USA and Europe wouldn't win without Russia. It's not like the USA did everything on their own. American soldiers fought hard in both wars and Europeans are really, REALLY grateful for that. But it wasn't the USA against the world. I don't think the war would have ended in Germany's favour without the USA either.

[spen96]

Stop making this a country supremacy topic before I lock it.