[Survival] For the next month, the Emporium will not buy items

[Towelie]

We are doing a little experiment -> From this moment and until January 12th, the Emporium will no longer buy items from players. It will only sell items. We are doing this because we have noticed severe EmpBuck leaks, and we believe, in fact that the Emporium is the #1 cause of our problems.
This will be an experiment, however, if it goes well, we will make this a permanent thing.

We advise you to sell your things to Autoshops -> /warp AutoDirectory

[N1ux_]

So when every auto is full or inactive what then? :/

[HappyNem]

So when every auto is full or inactive what then? :/

This does not happen too often, and this will help equal out supply and demand.

[Eternal_Jamie]

So when every auto is full or inactive what then? :/

You can sell stuff in the forum marketplace, set up your own shop and sell stuff to people or simply sell other things which shops are more up for buying if you need money.

[onionboys]

This will just make the rich players more rich.

[stormshooter]

This will just make the rich players more rich.

It'll make the autoshop owners rich. Normal players will no longer be able to benefit at selling their items at a good rate. Most autoshops rip you off.

[onionboys]

This will just make the rich players more rich.

It'll make the autoshop owners rich. Normal players will no longer be able to benefit at selling their items at a good rate. Most autoshops rip you off.

There's only a few autoshops that are actually used daily, those autoshops already have 100+ mil


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[ddude_stnom]

This will just make the rich players more rich.

It technically could, but still, it is a step in the right direction. SuperFunTime needs a stable economy with steady growth.

[stormshooter]

This will just make the rich players more rich.

It'll make the autoshop owners rich. Normal players will no longer be able to benefit at selling their items at a good rate. Most autoshops rip you off.

There's only a few autoshops that are actually used daily, those autoshops already have 100+ mil

Mmm true. When we had the /shop command a lot of unknown autoshops were introduced giving you the best price for a product. Now it's been removed I'm having to stick to well know autoshops since I'm too lazy to check the prices of every single shop.

[HappyNem]

/warp autodirectory has literally a room full of auto shop signs (which I will be reviewing this evening), its crazy how many are not even used.

The already rich people will remain rich, but nothing we can do about that, but over time prices in the shops will become more competitive. If a lazy autoshop owner just buys all his items from the emp, and charges a bit more, that is not going to make him money when the smaller start up ones want the business and get the items themselves and can them easily charge less.  If you don't want to take the time to shop around for a good deal, you can't complain if you don't find it.

Its going to be interesting, I like the idea, and it will make getting items on survival a bit harder, but then that makes the game more fun when you get what you are after.  I would also think the sell prices in the emp are going to change as well with the new 1.8 blocks on the way.

If this option does not sound good, the only other real way to rest set the economy is to POOF everything to 0 and start over, and I do not think many people would dig that.

[ryan_m004]

In my opinion this will happen:
People will sell things to auto shops and the auto shops chests will be filled.
Problem 1- when the chests are full where will people go to sell?
Problem 2- When the chests get full what will the shop owner do with the excess stock?
Problem 3- what if people don't buy from auto shops?

This will also affect people with popular grinders as people sell the loot and there will be no emp to sell it too.

[katoon123]

/warp autodirectory should be updated so the signs are clickable again

[ryan_m004]

/warp autodirectory should be updated so the signs are clickable again

they should also start the top 10 poll again as the top 10 auto shops may have changed and there may be some new ones that fit into the top 10.

[onionboys]

Hate to say this, but most autoshops aren't used because they are unorganized and poorly made

[HappyNem]

Hate to say this, but most autoshops aren't used because they are unorganized and poorly made

Does not matter, the consumers will dictate how the stores operate; any auto shop owner who does not adjust their shop to keep the customers happy will fail, just like in the real economy.

[onionboys]

Hate to say this, but most autoshops aren't used because they are unorganized and poorly made

Does not matter, the consumers will dictate how the stores operate; any auto shop owner who does not adjust their shop to keep the customers happy will fail, just like in the real economy.

So you want mallusa and SanMarco to take over SFT, making around a million a day?


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[Towelie]

Hate to say this, but most autoshops aren't used because they are unorganized and poorly made

Does not matter, the consumers will dictate how the stores operate; any auto shop owner who does not adjust their shop to keep the customers happy will fail, just like in the real economy.

So you want mallusa and SanMarco to take over SFT, making around a million a day?


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Beats losing ~500mil empbucks / month.

[Jyncs]

It's a test.

Towelie said he wanted to see how it works. He is doing what I do with my team at work, we have an idea on how to approach a problem and come up with a solution to try. We try it out and see if it works. If it doesn't, we don't do it anymore. If it does then we keep it.

Any economy for a game always wants a good balance. When it starts there is usually a large influx of money being given to players(like selling to the emp). Once there is a lot of money out there, then the game economy wants more coming in than it is giving out. Otherwise you will either have inflation on prices of items because there is not enough money or there is so much money that it isn't worth anything. It's a balance that we have always been talking about since Emp was implemented.

Before anyone starts spouting about real life economy, this is a game, not real life. As much as we want to mimic a real life economy in a game, it is almost impossible.

[stormshooter]

I completely agree with Jyncs.
May I just add this is survival. I like to think of it as survival of the fittest. And at the moment, it just happens to be cytyfrmr and Stevenxino at the top.
But also, this is a donator item making it a lil unfair.

[Cesspitsid]

Towelie? can you please explain what type of EMPbuck leakage? you mean players suddenly getting tons of money unexplained?

[stormshooter]

Towelie? can you please explain what type of EMPbuck leakage? you mean players suddenly getting tons of money unexplained?

Well since the emp uses spawned in money rather then earned money, it is sort of a leakage. Also, some of the emp prices are a bit off and get abused leaking money.

[Cesspitsid]

Towelie? can you please explain what type of EMPbuck leakage? you mean players suddenly getting tons of money unexplained?

Well since the emp uses spawned in money rather then earned money, it is sort of a leakage. Also, some of the emp prices are a bit off and get abused leaking money.

Makes sense this, as an autoshop owner I see the EMP as a place to buy stuff more now, to keep stock of all my items, seeing as the emp's prices are quite high, it makes items worth more and maybe from that, more autoshop owners will increase the prices of their items/blocks and that in turn will help boost the economy
it may work quite well!

[Barbacue2]

We have reached a new era of autoshop domination.

[Towelie]

Let me explain this decision.

Scenario 1: Player sells items to emporium. Emporium salesman spawns money and more money are added into the economy, creating a larger inflation

Scenario 2: Player sells items to autoshop. Autoshop owner is taxed by this, no money at all are added to economy, some are in fact removed.

Which scenario is better for the server? Scenario 2. It's good for the server and it's also good for the autoshop owners. Now if someone were smart they'd open a brick and mortar shop and keep it open at all times and they would in fact make a lot of money.

[onionboys]

Why do you complain about the inflation when you are adding Steve co crates weekly? Isn't that spawned in money just in item version

[Cireshie]

Why do you complain about the inflation when you are adding Steve co crates weekly? Isn't that spawned in money just in item version

Usually when Towelie announces a new crate, he adds it to /ml for a ridiculous price sort of helping the economy.

Also, I don't know if he stills gives everyone one out when he announces them, but if he does, that doesn't help.

EDIT: Not to mention steve co. crates don't make it worse. From what I see, it just circulates the economy. Yes, it is spawned in, but it's not like you can sell it to the emp for a higher price.

[katoon123]

Encourage richer players to do drop party's at spawn and invite the new players.

I remember drop parties used to happen alot at spawn, hosted by players and this is how i got items to build things when i first joined.

[MrEpicWonder]

Why do you complain about the inflation when you are adding Steve co crates weekly? Isn't that spawned in money just in item version

Weekly isn't really the adding time, it's usually 2-3 weeks+, i take some of the blame for placing idea's towards new crates and whatnot, but the more the merrier ey?

[Dpa1991]

I've always thought the emp shouldn't use spawned in money and use the money they make from players buying items, would be cool if that's how things worked, and as for the emp selling items it should be up to managers to mine and gather resources -- of course to make it fair we would multiply everything they gather by 5x or so, gives managers a reason to play and have fun as well keeps tabs on the items and emp brought into the game

So like
Week 1: managers gather resources(emp closed completely this week)
Week 2: count up what was gathered, multiply and put up a list on forums for stock and sell

And repeat

[krankenstein20]

This would just keep the managers even more busy great job dpa XD

[paul_weebird]

whatt? emp can buy stuff of players why would you do that towelie? 

[katoon123]

Allow players with less that a certain amount of emp sell at the emp.

[Towelie]

Allow players with less that a certain amount of emp sell at the emp.

People would find workarounds.

[stormshooter]

Allow players with less that a certain amount of emp sell at the emp.

People would find workarounds.

Mhm, people will use alts to sell their main account things.

[krankenstein20]

its 20 pound for an account not many peeps would do that for little money

[stormshooter]

its 20 pound for an account not many peeps would do that for little money

There are tonnes of ways to get cheaper accounts. People might use siblings accounts, friends accounts, or even illegal accounts.

[happypinecones]

What about only Autoshop owners can sell to the emp during this month?

[ChoctheMilkman]

Perhaps you can review the Buy/sell prices at the Emp, if there is a severe leak maybe there is an item worth a lot to the Emporium, but easy to get?

[xQuicScopex]

I've always thought the emp shouldn't use spawned in money and use the money they make from players buying items, would be cool if that's how things worked, and as for the emp selling items it should be up to managers to mine and gather resources -- of course to make it fair we would multiply everything they gather by 5x or so, gives managers a reason to play and have fun as well keeps tabs on the items and emp brought into the game

So like
Week 1: managers gather resources(emp closed completely this week)
Week 2: count up what was gathered, multiply and put up a list on forums for stock and sell

And repeat

i feel like this would work for awhile but maybe not forever......there is usually a large demand for some items and it might now be possible for manager+ to keep up with their already busy job so i think we should try it out and see where it goes

[Eternal_Jamie]

If the emp does go back to buying things after this month, at the very least a rule of how much you can sell during any session should be enforced across the board. Could people find workarounds using friends etc.? sure. But it's still better than buying 10+ inventories from one person. Just limit buying to 1/2 an inventory or something. Maybe this happens already, know a few of us did it when I was an admin.

[Wavestrike]

What about only Autoshop owners can sell to the emp during this month?

That will just make them more wealthy, and will be unfair for those who do not have autoshop perms.

Anyone know how one might get around to selling 10-17 double chests full of carrots and potatoes?

[BritanniaRules]

My thought Onion... just like the new (give me real money and pay again in SFT) /Warp Autoshop feature... double dipping anyone?

This will just make the rich players more rich.