What now?

[Towelie]

I shut down Minetest and the TTT servers.
What now? What server should I host now?

Here's the thing - I don't want to start a server that I don't play on unless I have someone trustworthy playing daily and being my representative on that server.

What I'd be tempted to host:
Unturned (need someone to play daily)
GMod either Sandbox (does anyone still play sandbox?) or perhaps Prophunt?
7 Days To Die (do we have any demand for it?

Do suggest others and do say what you think

[xQuicScopex]

theres a new modpack out right now called hermitpack (its a hermitcraft mod pack) and its for minecraft 1.9 or 1.10 and its actually really fun if you wanted to replace them with other servers (minecraft idea)

[Fire_Lord_Nero]

Why host a game that you can't make profit from? Not many, and i mean not many want to donate to a server into which the get nothing back from via Ark. You're better off trying out different minecraft modpacks and minigames then anything else.

[Dday694]

Why not Hat Simulator 2?

[TheOfficialMiner]

theres a new modpack out right now called hermitpack (its a hermitcraft mod pack) and its for minecraft 1.9 or 1.10 and its actually really fun if you wanted to replace them with other servers (minecraft idea)

I think Towelie is trying to stray away from Minecraft and try out new game servers

[IPwnCreeps]

Hosting a GMod server at this point is like buying a really old car. Sure, it could be a good car and all, but it's not going to last as long as something newer. It's had its run; and this is coming from someone who spent several hundred hours on the SFT TTT server. Unturned isn't a completely horrible choice, but unless it's had major changes lately, it gets boring fast. Grief prevention plugins aren't the best and if you wanted to allow PvP/griefing/raiding, the game is pretty desyncy (ex. cars running you over when on your end they're nowhere near you). 7 days to die I feel is in the same boat as GMod. The game was fairly popular when it came out, but they've made weird changes and the game just doesn't seem to have the hype behind it anymore.

If you think about it as if we're one of those little fish things that cling on to sharks; us clinging on to GMod, Unturned or 7DtD is like clinging to a dead shark at this point. Sure, what's left might do some good here and there, but the games are only really popular to a very select amount of people. Even while our TTT server was at it's peak, nobody really donated.

I feel as though any server that you wanna make decent profit from will require practically a new community forming. Even if we come out with the best Arma 3 server ever tomorrow, ~90% of SFT doesn't own it and probably never will. We'd have to attract a whole new crowd. Every new server we come out with we try to shove it into our little community bubble and force the existing players to play it, then we all get upset when the server is empty 24/7 when a huge portion of the community didn't even know the game existed. While Arma is just an example, the biggest communities and servers on Arma started with Arma. They've been with the game since Arma 2 and they'll probably be with the game till hell freezes over - and they're able to do that because their community is almost entirely composed of people who come home every day and play Arma for 6 hours straight, just like we are with minecraft. Difference is, Mojang's EULA has pretty much killed the ability to survive and thrive in terms of donations. The game won't die tomorrow, but in my opinion, it's already in a decline.

This post was probably unnecessarily long but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BattleAxium]

You know you can try a fresh GMod, Unturned, or 7D2D server but we all know what the end result is going to be... Server starts off strong and over a course of a week or two dies off. Like @IPwnCreeps said we're beating a dead horse with trying to make the same servers repeatedly. The only way any server besides Minecraft will be popular is if we advertise outside our current Minecraft community bubble.

[Mrs_Ender88]

I shut down Minetest and the TTT servers.
What now? What server should I host now?

Here's the thing - I don't want to start a server that I don't play on unless I have someone trustworthy playing daily and being my representative on that server.

What I'd be tempted to host:
Unturned (need someone to play daily)
GMod either Sandbox (does anyone still play sandbox?) or perhaps Prophunt?
7 Days To Die (do we have any demand for it?

Do suggest others and do say what you think

@Towelie
I would be more then happy to help with a unturned server and/or 7 days to die server.
If you did get a 7 days to die this would be a helpful mod: compo-pack + valmod expansion

[Zesty]

Or don't make a new server? Get more people working on the things we need done here until it has a more solid playerbase with people who actually join and stay? Then go out and make a new server. If you make one now one of two things are going to happen:

1- No one's going to play, you're going to waste money hosting a new server, then in three months time make this exact same post again.

2- People will actually like it.... and will leave mc servers to play on it, killing off these servers.

[Terror134]

In my honest opinion, we should not focus on other servers right now and focus on advertising or paying professional plugin devs outside of SFT to come in and make custom plugins. Maybe try to contact some Youtubers, like PaintballKitty or Pabbie, to record a video or at least drop by our server and say hi?

[Bakonator]

Or don't make a new server? Get more people working on the things we need done here until it has a more solid playerbase with people who actually join and stay? Then go out and make a new server. If you make one now one of two things are going to happen:

1- No one's going to play, you're going to waste money hosting a new server, then in three months time make this exact same post again.

2- People will actually like it.... and will leave mc servers to play on it, killing off these servers.

Fair point, but


More servers means we have a more open market for new players to see us. Some do not play on Minecraft servers, some don't play on ARK servers, et cetera. But some are dedicated players to whatever game(s) they play (like my love to TF2).
We are, as mentioned in the quote, at a risk of losing the player base from our current servers and a low median between servers; or basically wastes money on hosting a dead, empty, abandoned server.


Do what is wise. You're the man here, after all .

[Foonsen]

We could do a minigames server with some games like hunger games snake spleef etc. I know of some good plug-ins and I bet that if we got it going some other people might too. I would definitely play it, and help build it, and I bet some others would too!

[Zesty]

Or don't make a new server? Get more people working on the things we need done here until it has a more solid playerbase with people who actually join and stay? Then go out and make a new server. If you make one now one of two things are going to happen:

1- No one's going to play, you're going to waste money hosting a new server, then in three months time make this exact same post again.

2- People will actually like it.... and will leave mc servers to play on it, killing off these servers.

Fair point, but


More servers means we have a more open market for new players to see us. Some do not play on Minecraft servers, some don't play on ARK servers, et cetera. But some are dedicated players to whatever game(s) they play (like my love to TF2).
We are, as mentioned in the quote, at a risk of losing the player base from our current servers and a low median between servers; or basically wastes money on hosting a dead, empty, abandoned server.


Do what is wise. You're the man here, after all .

What I'm trying to say is we already have these functioning Minecraft servers. If we can just improve on it,

and focus on advertising or paying professional plugin devs outside of SFT to come in and make custom plugins. Maybe try to contact some Youtubers, like PaintballKitty or Pabbie, to record a video or at least drop by our server and say hi?

we can attract helpful, needed newer players such as professional developers, possibly even new youtubers. Or we may get people who know how to run other servers and can help us from there after we have our current ones fixed and ready. Once we get a solid playerbase here with enough players, who can help attract more attention to sft + help with other servers when the time comes sft will be swinging harder than ever. But it seems Towelie only ever wants to leave mc for other servers. Not trying to be rude, but why leave something that's working, repeatedly for something that's only shown to not work with the people we currently have.

[BattleAxium]

Or don't make a new server? Get more people working on the things we need done here until it has a more solid playerbase with people who actually join and stay? Then go out and make a new server. If you make one now one of two things are going to happen:

1- No one's going to play, you're going to waste money hosting a new server, then in three months time make this exact same post again.

2- People will actually like it.... and will leave mc servers to play on it, killing off these servers.

Fair point, but


More servers means we have a more open market for new players to see us. Some do not play on Minecraft servers, some don't play on ARK servers, et cetera. But some are dedicated players to whatever game(s) they play (like my love to TF2).
We are, as mentioned in the quote, at a risk of losing the player base from our current servers and a low median between servers; or basically wastes money on hosting a dead, empty, abandoned server.


Do what is wise. You're the man here, after all .

What I'm trying to say is we already have these functioning Minecraft servers. If we can just improve on it,

and focus on advertising or paying professional plugin devs outside of SFT to come in and make custom plugins. Maybe try to contact some Youtubers, like PaintballKitty or Pabbie, to record a video or at least drop by our server and say hi?

we can attract helpful, needed newer players such as professional developers, possibly even new youtubers. Or we may get people who know how to run other servers and can help us from there after we have our current ones fixed and ready. Once we get a solid playerbase here with enough players, who can help attract more attention to sft + help with other servers when the time comes sft will be swinging harder than ever. But it seems Towelie only ever wants to leave mc for other servers. Not trying to be rude, but why leave something that's working, repeatedly for something that's only shown to not work with the people we currently have.

Here, let me break this down for you real quick:

The average cost for a plugin to be developed is between $5-$100+, this varies based on complexity.

To get any "professional developer", most won't work for you under $70-80k which is the starting salary for an entry-level software engineer. So, the best SFT will get are people who are programming for their first time or those who are doing it on their own free time (pro-bono). I don't see Towelie shelling out enough donation money to pay off a full time developer, let alone a "professional developer."

As for the YouTubers, we've been there and done that. We had PaintballKitty and Pabbie but they didn't last long or lost interest in Minecraft. We paid Bashurverse, who made one video, and then completely forgot about us. So, I doubt wasting money on YouTubers is actually worth it.

That being said, we could branch out to a new game, and devote more time to building a community around that. Or continue on with Minecraft servers for the rest of SFT's existence.

[Dpa1991]

How about we just focus on what we have, scrap the idea of opening any future servers until something fresh comes out. Everything that's been suggested from what I've scimmmed over (on phone, nor reading everything) has been tried and dies off wasting our time and money.

Also, a new modpack, past 1.7.10 Mc runs into the same problems pix does: plugins.

[Cbossminer]

Arma 3 server.

[ASquattingDog]

Bring back factions... Everyone's dream.

[DOMYOUTUBE]

This would be extremely small, maybe a SFT Clash of Clans clan?

[DOMYOUTUBE]

Bring back factions... Everyone's dream.

Factions pocket... :3

[iLaxrv10]

Bring back factions... Everyone's dream.

Factions pocket... :3

I think that were only sticking to one pocket server

[Zesty]

Bring back factions... Everyone's dream.

I'll actually donate so much to factions if it comes back

[DOMYOUTUBE]

Bring back factions... Everyone's dream.

Factions pocket... :3

I think that were only sticking to one pocket server

Dang, But still a factions pocket would be nice

[Zombiekilla1227.]

I know some people will probably say this is stupid but how about a HL2 RP server it would allow our members to be creative along with put themself in the mindset of another person also due to me owning a hl2 rp server in the past ( Decently Full almost every day) I could tell you some of the commands needed to set up certain spots ex: shops buyable doors etc

[one227]

I personally would like to see a vanilla server.

I know I know you did get minetest but minetest was nothing like a vanilla server.

I would love to see the server run with like community events like killing the wither or ender drag together and it been reset once in a while.

I personally miss minecraft where its just the raw basic of minecraft where you can build stuff but you build and its like you build it raw

idk if anyone else agrees with me but I  really miss vanilla.

I certainly would play it.

[one227]

O also bring back factions,

Like factions without any stupid sftmmo or minecraft abilities

with the new addition of the stupid minecraft pvp it should actually make it more fun.


#one2274admin

[Doctor_Thanos]

In my honest opinion, we should not focus on other servers right now and focus on advertising or paying professional plugin devs outside of SFT to come in and make custom plugins. Maybe try to contact some Youtubers, like PaintballKitty or Pabbie, to record a video or at least drop by our server and say hi?

Exactly this!

Also I highly suggest Factions are not added back. They were removed for a rather serious reason and the reason is going to come back for sure if we open them again.

[Towelie]

or paying professional plugin devs outside of SFT to come in and make custom plugins.

We currently have two devs being tested and from the looks of it will be joining our team soon

[Towelie]

At this point I am not against a factions server per say, but I down right refuse to work on a faction server or have anything to do with maintaining it other than restarting it when it crashes and setting up the premium shop / vote plugin.
So that leaves @Dpa1991 and @saywhat2365 .

I doubt either of them wants to start a Factions server soo...

[one227]

Hmm what about going back to a technic mod pack server ?


But then we have B-team and lost island so idk if another modded server would become popular.

[stormshooter]

At this point I am not against a factions server per say, but I down right refuse to work on a faction server or have anything to do with maintaining it other than restarting it when it crashes and setting up the premium shop / vote plugin.
So that leaves @Dpa1991 and @saywhat2365 .

I doubt either of them wants to start a Factions server soo...

I'd like to lend a hand

[TheStarNomad✯]

At this point I am not against a factions server per say, but I down right refuse to work on a faction server or have anything to do with maintaining it other than restarting it when it crashes and setting up the premium shop / vote plugin.
So that leaves @Dpa1991 and @saywhat2365 .

I doubt either of them wants to start a Factions server soo...

I'd like to lend a hand

If this is a possibility I'm 100% ready to help.

[camster65]

At this point I am not against a factions server per say, but I down right refuse to work on a faction server or have anything to do with maintaining it other than restarting it when it crashes and setting up the premium shop / vote plugin.
So that leaves @Dpa1991 and @saywhat2365 .

I doubt either of them wants to start a Factions server soo...

I'd like to lend a hand

If this is a possibility I'm 100% ready to help.

Count me in

[one227]

At this point I am not against a factions server per say, but I down right refuse to work on a faction server or have anything to do with maintaining it other than restarting it when it crashes and setting up the premium shop / vote plugin.
So that leaves @Dpa1991 and @saywhat2365 .

I doubt either of them wants to start a Factions server soo...

I'd like to lend a hand

If this is a possibility I'm 100% ready to help.

Count me in

count me in too

[CallOfTheElements]

At this point I am not against a factions server per say, but I down right refuse to work on a faction server or have anything to do with maintaining it other than restarting it when it crashes and setting up the premium shop / vote plugin.
So that leaves @Dpa1991 and @saywhat2365 .

I doubt either of them wants to start a Factions server soo...

I'd like to lend a hand

If this is a possibility I'm 100% ready to help.

Count me in

count me in too

You have my bow.

[CallOfTheElements]

Also, as I have said before. I believe that a space engineers server could work. I am sure that me and possibly @Jyncs could help with it. I have been experimenting with it ever since the giveaway.

[Towelie]

Also, as I have said before. I believe that a space engineers server could work. I am sure that me and possibly @Jyncs could help with it. I have been experimenting with it ever since the giveaway.

If you wanna try out, I'm ok with that, you have server access, tell me if you need anythign else.

[truewolfmaster]

Hosting a GMod server at this point is like buying a really old car. Sure, it could be a good car and all, but it's not going to last as long as something newer. It's had its run; and this is coming from someone who spent several hundred hours on the SFT TTT server. Unturned isn't a completely horrible choice, but unless it's had major changes lately, it gets boring fast. Grief prevention plugins aren't the best and if you wanted to allow PvP/griefing/raiding, the game is pretty desyncy (ex. cars running you over when on your end they're nowhere near you). 7 days to die I feel is in the same boat as GMod. The game was fairly popular when it came out, but they've made weird changes and the game just doesn't seem to have the hype behind it anymore.

If you think about it as if we're one of those little fish things that cling on to sharks; us clinging on to GMod, Unturned or 7DtD is like clinging to a dead shark at this point. Sure, what's left might do some good here and there, but the games are only really popular to a very select amount of people. Even while our TTT server was at it's peak, nobody really donated.

I feel as though any server that you wanna make decent profit from will require practically a new community forming. Even if we come out with the best Arma 3 server ever tomorrow, ~90% of SFT doesn't own it and probably never will. We'd have to attract a whole new crowd. Every new server we come out with we try to shove it into our little community bubble and force the existing players to play it, then we all get upset when the server is empty 24/7 when a huge portion of the community didn't even know the game existed. While Arma is just an example, the biggest communities and servers on Arma started with Arma. They've been with the game since Arma 2 and they'll probably be with the game till hell freezes over - and they're able to do that because their community is almost entirely composed of people who come home every day and play Arma for 6 hours straight, just like we are with minecraft. Difference is, Mojang's EULA has pretty much killed the ability to survive and thrive in terms of donations. The game won't die tomorrow, but in my opinion, it's already in a decline.

This post was probably unnecessarily long but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

if he hosts gmod id be on it alot

[jimbob0102]

What happened to Tekkit Legends? That was really good and fun

[Mrs_Ender88]

If there was a 7 days to Die server I know of at least 5 or 6 people that would join it.
@Towelie

[lionblaze10]

I personally would like to see a vanilla server.

I know I know you did get minetest but minetest was nothing like a vanilla server.

I would love to see the server run with like community events like killing the wither or ender drag together and it been reset once in a while.

I personally miss minecraft where its just the raw basic of minecraft where you can build stuff but you build and its like you build it raw

idk if anyone else agrees with me but I  really miss vanilla.

I certainly would play it.

Tried to fight for this so many times and been shot down each and every one. Would absolutely love to see a return of the Vanilla server if at all possible.

[Towelie]

@Sparkle_Sun  - Does your offer for 72d2 still stand? If yes, I am interested.
@lionblaze10 - I'm sorry but I have no interest whatsoever in a vanilla server because it doesn't bring us votes OR donations. The only way I'd consider starting one was if it was pay2play so it could at least pay for itself (eg: a $3/mo subscription per player which let's face it nobody would buy)

[Lucy_23x]

At this point I am not against a factions server per say, but I down right refuse to work on a faction server or have anything to do with maintaining it other than restarting it when it crashes and setting up the premium shop / vote plugin.
So that leaves @Dpa1991 and @saywhat2365 .

I doubt either of them wants to start a Factions server soo...

I'd like to lend a hand

If this is a possibility I'm 100% ready to help.

Count me in

count me in too

You have my bow.

And you have my axe.

[SuperJK]

theres a new modpack out right now called hermitpack (its a hermitcraft mod pack) and its for minecraft 1.9 or 1.10 and its actually really fun if you wanted to replace them with other servers (minecraft idea)

Hermitpack isn't neW

[xQuicScopex]

theres a new modpack out right now called hermitpack (its a hermitcraft mod pack) and its for minecraft 1.9 or 1.10 and its actually really fun if you wanted to replace them with other servers (minecraft idea)

Hermitpack isn't neW

the 1.10 version is

[Jyncs]

If we never try new servers how will we know if they don't work? How do we know if they won't work the second time, or the third or fourth.

USA History right here on Abraham Lincoln, our 16th president who helped to abolishslavery in my country.
Failed in business.
Ran for state legislature - lost.
Sought to become speaker of the state legislature - defeated.
Sought to become elector - defeated.
Ran for Congress - lost.
Ran for re-election to Congress - lost(he won in between losses).
Sought the job of land officer in his home state - rejected.
Ran for Senate of the United States - lost.
Sought the Vice-Presidential nomination at his party's national convention - get less than 100 votes.
Ran for U.S. Senate again - again he lost.
Elected president of the United States.

He lost a lot more than he won. The point is if we don't keep trying and don't keep pushing we won't know.

This is the second time we have had a Rust server and it is starting to grow and succeed. We just don't know what will take off and what won't all the time until we try it.

[BattleAxium]

If we never try new servers how will we know if they don't work? How do we know if they won't work the second time, or the third or fourth.

USA History right here on Abraham Lincoln, our 16th president who helped to abolishslavery in my country.
Failed in business.
Ran for state legislature - lost.
Sought to become speaker of the state legislature - defeated.
Sought to become elector - defeated.
Ran for Congress - lost.
Ran for re-election to Congress - lost(he won in between losses).
Sought the job of land officer in his home state - rejected.
Ran for Senate of the United States - lost.
Sought the Vice-Presidential nomination at his party's national convention - get less than 100 votes.
Ran for U.S. Senate again - again he lost.
Elected president of the United States.

He lost a lot more than he won. The point is if we don't keep trying and don't keep pushing we won't know.

This is the second time we have had a Rust server and it is starting to grow and succeed. We just don't know what will take off and what won't all the time until we try it.

Good analogy Jyncs! We shouldn't have problem with trying the same server idea BUT we shouldn't try to make it the same way every time (unless it worked). For example, 7 days to die, we had that server a few times, but each time it was put up, it was abandoned by management. As Albert Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results". In this case, we're setting up the server (in the same way) over and over again, and expecting it to gain popularity instead of bottoming out like it always does.

[Jyncs]

If we never try new servers how will we know if they don't work? How do we know if they won't work the second time, or the third or fourth.

USA History right here on Abraham Lincoln, our 16th president who helped to abolishslavery in my country.
Failed in business.
Ran for state legislature - lost.
Sought to become speaker of the state legislature - defeated.
Sought to become elector - defeated.
Ran for Congress - lost.
Ran for re-election to Congress - lost(he won in between losses).
Sought the job of land officer in his home state - rejected.
Ran for Senate of the United States - lost.
Sought the Vice-Presidential nomination at his party's national convention - get less than 100 votes.
Ran for U.S. Senate again - again he lost.
Elected president of the United States.

He lost a lot more than he won. The point is if we don't keep trying and don't keep pushing we won't know.

This is the second time we have had a Rust server and it is starting to grow and succeed. We just don't know what will take off and what won't all the time until we try it.

Good analogy Jyncs! We shouldn't have problem with trying the same server idea BUT we shouldn't try to make it the same way every time (unless it worked). For example, 7 days to die, we had that server a few times, but each time it was put up, it was abandoned by management. As Albert Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results". In this case, we're setting up the server (in the same way) over and over again, and expecting it to gain popularity instead of bottoming out like it always does.

Some of that problem is not finding people that are passionate about the game to keep wanting to play it every day.